Absolutely. In the NIV it is translated as "fruit":
6. When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. (Genesis 3:6)
Likewise, the King James translates it as "fruit":
6. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (ibid)
The same holds true for the American Standard and the Literal Bible with Strong's definitions, which gives the word used in the Greek as:
Strong's Ref. # 6529 Romanized priy Pronounced per-ee' from HSN6509; fruit (literally or figuratively):
The first time the word apple turns up in the Literal translation is in The Song of Solomon 2:3, though in the other translations the word turns up as a part of the phrase "apple of his eye" in Deuteronomy 32:10: "...he kept him as the apple of his eye..." (KJV). Note that the NIV translates this as "...he guarded him as the apple of his eye,.." The LIT gives it as "...| guarded him |0380| like the pupil of |5864| His eye. The Greek is given as: Romanized 'iyshown; Pronounced ee-shone'; diminutive from HSN0376; the little man of the eye; the pupil or ball; In my NIV Study Bible the note on the text of Deut. 32:10 states: " apple of his eye; literally the little man of the eye; the pupil, a delicate part of the eye that is essential for sight, and is therefore to be protected at all costs."
Way more than you were looking for, I know, but you know that we must separate fanon from canon at all costs. ;-)
All joking aside, this little musing of yours is rather interesting - and poetic.
Sad story about Victorian sexual ignorance. General Gordon, he of Khartoum, was earlier sent to Mauritius. This excited him because he was a religious man and there was a theory that Mauritius was the actual Garden of Eden. He decided to look for the Tree of Knowledge; he knew the fruit wasn't an apple so he sent a letter to a biblical scholar he knew back home, to ask what it did look like. The scholar wrote back that it was said to resemble female genitalia. Next thing, Gordon's batman was ordered to find a female goat, so that the general could ascertain what he was meant to be looking for.
Sorry, I'm still a bit blood-lessened and checking up on things, and am thrilled to see that you two are commiserating, not arguing.
I purposefully chose the pomegranete for my 'fruit of choice' when writing "A House Divided" when Thengel proposes, albeit surreptitiously, to Morwen; they are decadent fruits, but if one puts a map of M-E over Europe, I think that southern Gondor does correlate to Italy (yes, Nessime??), and it seemed an appropriate symbolic item to use for wooing.
Forget apples- they are far too pedestrian. *facepalms* No, no, not succumbing to new Nuzgul of common folk in Gondor or elsewhere offering apples to young, pink-cheeked youths.
***spins in catastrophic circles***
I'm glad that you liked the poetry of the sentiment, though, J.
I purposefully chose the pomegranete for my 'fruit of choice'... they are decadent fruits, but if one puts a map of M-E over Europe, I think that southern Gondor does correlate to Italy (yes, Nessime??), and it seemed an appropriate symbolic item to use for wooing.
Decadent? :-D Whenever we have a pomegranete (the season is, alas, very brief) I am always reminded of the story of Persephone. All one need do is look at the structure of the pomegranate to understand how the odds were against her.
BTW I have a handwritten letter waiting to post to you once I finish burning a long overdue CD - if nothing changes I should be able to do that tomorrow so it can go in Monday's post. And you have permission to throw something at me if I don't get it done as promised. :-o
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Date: 2004-04-02 10:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-04-02 10:21 pm (UTC)so the apple in the garden is Biblical fanon??!
*laughs*
Canon? No! Fanon.
Date: 2004-04-02 11:55 pm (UTC)Absolutely. In the NIV it is translated as "fruit":
Likewise, the King James translates it as "fruit":
The same holds true for the American Standard and the Literal Bible with Strong's definitions, which gives the word used in the Greek as:
The first time the word apple turns up in the Literal translation is in The Song of Solomon 2:3, though in the other translations the word turns up as a part of the phrase "apple of his eye" in Deuteronomy 32:10: "...he kept him as the apple of his eye..." (KJV). Note that the NIV translates this as "...he guarded him as the apple of his eye,.." The LIT gives it as "...| guarded him |0380| like the pupil of |5864| His eye. The Greek is given as: Romanized 'iyshown; Pronounced ee-shone'; diminutive from HSN0376; the little man of the eye; the pupil or ball; In my NIV Study Bible the note on the text of Deut. 32:10 states: " apple of his eye; literally the little man of the eye; the pupil, a delicate part of the eye that is essential for sight, and is therefore to be protected at all costs."
Way more than you were looking for, I know, but you know that we must separate fanon from canon at all costs. ;-)
All joking aside, this little musing of yours is rather interesting - and poetic.
Re: Canon? No! Fanon.
Date: 2004-04-03 06:52 am (UTC)Re: Canon? No! Fanon.
Date: 2004-04-03 04:56 pm (UTC)Pomegranates
Date: 2004-04-03 11:14 pm (UTC)Sorry, I'm still a bit blood-lessened and checking up on things, and am thrilled to see that you two are commiserating, not arguing.
I purposefully chose the pomegranete for my 'fruit of choice' when writing "A House Divided" when Thengel proposes, albeit surreptitiously, to Morwen; they are decadent fruits, but if one puts a map of M-E over Europe, I think that southern Gondor does correlate to Italy (yes, Nessime??), and it seemed an appropriate symbolic item to use for wooing.
Forget apples- they are far too pedestrian. *facepalms* No, no, not succumbing to new Nuzgul of common folk in Gondor or elsewhere offering apples to young, pink-cheeked youths.
***spins in catastrophic circles***
I'm glad that you liked the poetry of the sentiment, though, J.
Did you get the handmade card I sent you?
Re: Pomegranates
Date: 2004-04-04 12:15 am (UTC)Decadent? :-D Whenever we have a pomegranete (the season is, alas, very brief) I am always reminded of the story of Persephone. All one need do is look at the structure of the pomegranate to understand how the odds were against her.
BTW I have a handwritten letter waiting to post to you once I finish burning a long overdue CD - if nothing changes I should be able to do that tomorrow so it can go in Monday's post. And you have permission to throw something at me if I don't get it done as promised. :-o